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Our Strasbaugh Line, Later Changed to Trosper -
GERMAN/French
 More than 48 million Americans claim German
forebears. A survey by the U. S. Bureau of the Census in 1979
reveals our ethnic origin as 50% German, 43% Irish, 38% English, 15%
African, 14% Scottish, 13% French, 12% Spanish, 11% Italian, 10% Native
American, 9% Dutch, 7% Swedish, 6% Norwegian, 5% Russian and 3% Welsh.
Those who are able to trace their German lines
back to the early 18th century are quite likely to discover they came from
the Palatinate (Pfalz). It embraced what is now divided among Hesse,
Rhineland-Palatinate, Baden-Wuerttemberg, and the Saarland. This area
was the center of German life in the Middle Ages when it was the Hold Roman
Empire of the German Nation. In the 13th century it formed a part of
Bavaria. At one time it was divided among 44 sovereigns. The
Thirty Years War ended in 1646, leaving the Palatinate devastated by
religious conflict. This diminished the population from 500,000 to
50,000.
Pillaging raids ordered by Louis XIV of France
followed the Thirty Year's war which in turn was followed by the War of the
Palatinate 1688-1699. As a consequence the state religion changed with
its rulers - thus the Palatines were forced to change their religion four
times during this period. Between 1618 and 1700 the area was laid
waste six times. Thereby three generations of Palatines suffered
destruction of war. William Penn, Quaker founder of Pennsylvania made
several visits to the Palatinate in the 1670's. He found religious and
moral people and invited them to settle in America, offering them land in
Pennsylvania at 10 cents an acre. From 1708 to 1720, thousands settled
principally in Montgomery, Bucks and Lancaster counties in Pennsylvania.
From there many later came overland in to North and South Carolina and many
other states.
Arbuthnot Trosper - Born late seventeen
hundreds or right around 1800; we are not sure when she died, we found a
marriage record for a 'Milly Erwin' to a Thomas Mosely in Lawrence County, Indiana in 1842 and
that's the last we have found of her. She was my maternal 5th
Great Grandmother. This picture has been handed
down in my family and we guess that it was sketched around 1840.
"Click" to enlarge.
In researching the name "Arbuthnot" I
found the information below from this
site. I have often wondered why her parents named her this, and
very recently my cousins and I discovered that there was an Admiral
Arbuthnot involved in the Revolutionary War and Arbuthnot's father, James
might have married an Arbuthnot, we have not discovered Milley's mother's
name yet and we are not positive (either) that James Trosper is her father
(son of Nicholas). This Admiral Arbuthnot was on the British side, but
there were other's in the family that were loyalists as well. Back
then it was very common for different branches of families to be on opposite
sides, it was the same with the Civil War.
On right is a map that I drew up detailing the path our Strasbaugh/Tropser line took.
The Derivation
Arbuthnott is the name of an exact
geographical location. Those who have the surname Arbuthnot or
Arbuthnott must have an ancestor who came from that place or at least
from within the parish of Arbuthnott, the barony and ecclesiastical district
of which Arbuthnott castle and church would have been the administrative
centre. [author's note: or have been named after such a person or have
adopted the name through choice - e.g.
Malcolm Arbuthnot, RI, FRSA]
The Meaning of the Name
The name Arbuthnot(t) comes from the celtic
Aberbuthenot or Aberbothenoth meaning 'the place where the burn called
Buthenot(h) joins the (Bervie) waters'.
This is derived from -
ABER - the confluence or joining of a small stream to a river.
BUTHENOT(H) - 'little one of (healing) power'. (This name was also
given to other streams and springs believed to have the power to cure
sickness in cattle or other creatures).
The Location
The 'exact geographical location' of
Arbuthnott is on a narrow peninsula, not more than 100 yards wide, on the
north side of the river Bervie, three miles upstream from the sea. Arbuthnott House now occupies this site. On the north-east side the land
falls steeply down to the burn, once called Buthenot, and on the south side
it slopes more gradually down to the river, lending itself perfectly to the
landscaping of a beautiful garden. In earlier, less peaceful, times it
presented an ideal site for an easily defended stronghold.
The lands of Arbuthnott, now about 2,700
acres and much less extensive than the present parish, are almost equally
divided by the river Bervie. This river runs from the foothills of the
Grampians to the sea, the area forms the eastern rim of the 'Howe of the
Mearns'. The Howe (hollow) being a huge bowl of land at the northern end of
the Vale of Strathmore in the district referred to as 'The Mearns'.
A few miles further north lie the mountains
of the 'highland line', a massive geological fault which crosses Scotland
from north-east to south-west; this range of hills is the traditional
division between the Highlands and the Lowlands. The Arbuthnotts are
therefore a lowland family, not a highland clan.
Early History
Our earliest tangible links with the
history of the area are the two pairs of giant antlers which stand in the
entrance hall at Arbuthnott House. They were found in a nearby peat-bog.
These forebears of the Red Deer must have roamed the oak forests which then
covered the lower ground some 6,000 years ago. Humans, if any, would have
been nomadic hunters and food-gatherers.
In the Stone Age, men came from the west
and started to cultivate the higher ground. They were the first of many
migrants who came and settled over the ages.
In about 2000 BC, the Bronze Age 'Beaker
Folk' (named after the drinking vessels found in their graves) came from
across the North Sea. Their legacy is the standing stones or megaliths to be
found in the area.
The Founding
of the Family
Though the original charter
has been lost, it is known that between 1170 and 1178 the lands of
Arbuthnott were granted to Osbert Olifard by King William the Lion of
Scotland, almost certainly as a knight's fee. Osbert's father, David Olifard,
had been the King's right-hand mand and the King David I's godson, so the
family stood high in royal favour.
Osbert the Crusader, as he was
called, soon left for the Holy Land. He appointed Walter Olifard, probably
his elder brother, as his heir, and the land was leased for the next six
years to Isaac of Benvie. Then Walter, who had other lands, on hearing of
the death abroad of Osbert, sub-fefted (granted) the estate to Hugh of
Swinton, kinsman of the Earl of March and descendant of an ancient saxon
noble family. It was his son and heir, Duncan, who first took Arbuthnot(t)
as his name.
The Spelling
of Arbuthnot (t)
It is remarkable that there
are now only two spellings of the name. Until the latter part of the
eighteenth century little attention was paid to how a name was spelt and
there are records of many interesting variations on the theme. They range
from Arboythneth and Arbuthnotht to Arburthnet. Therefore the fact that
there remains only the minor difference involving the inclusion or exclusion
of the final 't' shows an astonishing uniformity amongst later generations.
The reasons for this small
variation may stem from the fact that, once spelling became a matter of
importance, those members of the family who had traveled away from the area
fixed on the form 'Arbuthnot', while those who remained nearby chose to
follow the spelling of the place-name, the ending of which had evolved from
'th to tt'.
Queen Victoria herself had an
opinion on the matter. She remarked to her equerry, General Charles
Arbuthnot, that she did not know why he did not spell his name with two t's,
as Lord Arbuthnott did for she knew they were the same family.
Universally the pronunciation
of the name seems to be with the accent on the second syllable.
Later in the Iron Age came the Celtic
invaders, bringing their more advanced forms of agriculture. Subsequently,
they became dominated by the Pictish culture which gave many local places
the names they still have to this day, such as Alpitty and Pitcarles.
Christianity was introduced by missionaries
some time after 940 AD when the ancient Kirk of Saint Ternan was founded at
Arbuthnott.
The Norman Kings of Scotland were annexing
this area in the twelfth century. By this time Arbuthnott had evolved into a
Celtic thanage, with its well-sited stronghold and the fertile lands
necessary to support it. It was just such a property with which the Normans
awarded their followers in return for their loyalty and service. The feudal
system had arrived, and with it the founding of the family which was to own,
cherish and nurture the land for the next 800 years, and whose descendants
were to travel to and settle in many different parts of the world.
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The map below and information was taken from
this
site,
courtesy of Horace Ory, descendant of the Ory line that was also on the
Princess Augusta the ship the Strasbaugh (my line changed the name to
Trosper a couple of generations after immigrating.
The Trospers (Strasbach) came from the area between France, Switzerland and Germany
called Saulxures and when this family left for America, this part of world
was unclaimed by either France or Germany. Since the early middle ages
this area of the Vosges mountains had been ruled by the Counts of Salm, who
were nominal vassals of the Holy Roman Emperor of the German Nation.
However, it appears that the residents of Salm spoke French rather than
German as early as the twelfth century, even though German was spoken in
most parts of Alsace.
Here are some
sources of information on this
area and why they might have migrated.
This information
on the ships journey is an interesting read.
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The map at left was graciously provided by
Dominic E. Noel;
see his site here.
Strasbach - FHC Film
796883 -SAULXURES. SALM - Now part of France
JANUARY 29
1718
Marriage of (Jean) Name crossed out
NICHOLAS STRASBACH and CATHERINE GERARD
JANUARY 4
1722
Death of JEAN STRASBACH [This may have been
the father of Nicholas Strasbach, there is definitely a link between
them since the priest originally recorded Jean as the groom of
Catherine Gerard].
DECEMBER
19 1719
Baptism of ANNE STRASBACH daughter to
NICHOLAS STRASBACH and CATHERINE GERARD.
APRIL 16,
1721
Baptism of NICHOLAS STRASBACH son to
NICHOLAS STRASBACH and CATHERINE GERARD.
NOVEMBER
18 1723
Baptism of JEANNE STRASBACH daughter to
STRASBACH to NICHOLAS STRASBACH and CATHERINE GERARD.
OCTOBER 12
1724
Baptism of MARIE STRASBACH to NICHOLAS
STRASBACH and CATHERINE GERARD.
1729
Baptism of MARGUIRTE STRASBACH daughter to
NICHOLAS STRASBACH and CATHERINE GERARD.
1732
Baptism of ROSE STRASBACH daughter to
NICHOLAS STRASBACH and CATHERINE GERARD.
APRIL 3
1733
Baptism of JEAN [John] STRASBACH son to
NICHOLAS STRASBACH and CATHERINE GERARD.
APRIL 19
1734/5
Baptism of JOSEPH STRASBACH son to NICHOLAS
STRASBACH and CATHERINE GERARD
Princess August
Lists Nicholas Strasbach wife and six Children.
How do we
reconcile the differences?
ANN was
over 15 born in 1719, adult passengers were considered to be 16 and
only male passengers 16 and over were listed. Therefore Ann was not
included in the six children.
The only
other listing that I know of the children comes from the probate
records of Nicholas in York County, the following table is my
reconciliation.
Born in
France On Princess Augusta On Probate Record
Anna 1719 Yes, Yes Married Ory
Nicholas Yes Yes
Jeanna
Marrie Yes Yes married Decker
Margaret Yes Yes married Noel
Rose
Jean [John] Yes Yes never married
Joseph Yes died prior to probate
Possible name matches or could be born in
York, PA
Judith could be Jeanne above Yes married
Heidler
Barbara could be Rose above Yes married
Hindsman?
Probably born York PA
Michael no born circa 1744 Yes married C.
Staub
Catherine No Yes married Schoff
Lyena No Yes Married Gogh
Based on
the above analysis two of the children born in France could have had
name mis-matches with the baptism records or could have died.
Both plausible, children did die of common aliments and the meaning
of names could be different in different languages or customs.
The name changes could have been:
Jeanna = Judith
Rose = Barbara
This data was researched and
graciously provided by Wayne Strasbaugh and
Ted von Mechow.
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First Generation
Jean Strasbach
was born Bet. 1650 - 1675 in France, and died April 1724 in Saulxures,
France219.
Jean is not proven to be Nicholas' father, but circumstantial evidence
highly suggests it.
Children of Jean Strasbach are:
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Nicholas
Strasbaugh, b. Abt. 1696, d. October 25, 1753, York, Pennsylvania.
Second Generation
 Nicholas STRASBAUGH. Born abt
1696 in Alsace Lorraine. Nicholas died in Paradise Township, York Co., PA in
1753, he was 57.
He married Catherine Gerard on January 29, 1718. This couple and
their children came to the United States on the Ship
"The Princess Augusta"
and landed in Philadelphia on 16 September 1736.
Read about the
voyage
here.
Nicholas Strasbaugh and Catherine
Gerard had the following Children:
| i. |
Ann Strasbaugh, born 19
Dec 1719 |
| ii. |
Nicholas Strasbaugh,
born August 6, 1721 (our line) |
| iii. |
Jeanne Strasbaugh, born
November 18, 1723 |
| iv. |
Marie Strasbaugh, born
October 12, 1724 |
| v. |
Marguerite Strasbaugh,
born June 21, 1729 |
| vi. |
Rose Strasbaugh, born
November 7, 1731 |
| vii. |
Jean Strasbaugh, born
August 3, 1733 |
| viii. |
Joseph Strasbaugh, born
August 19, 1735. |
 Notes for Nicholas
Strasbaugh:
Nicholas and his family lived in Saulxures an area which is now a part of
France. They were catholic and attend the parish church in Saulxures until
1736 until shortly after their eighth child Joseph was born. They took the
river down to Rotterdam where they boarded the Ship "Princess Augusta" for
Philadelphia.
The following is an extract from a letter written by a fellow passenger Durs
Thommen -
As to the journey, we were detained for 5 weeks, have slept on the Rhine for
2 weeks, and have traveled from Rotterdam across the sea for 12 weeks and 4
days until Philadelphia, but only 8 weeks from land to land, and we did not
have good wind save for 8 days, more contrary winds than side winds. And as
we saw land a new pilot came to us and we thought all was well and won. All
evening we got wind from behind so that the ship moved vigorously. The new
pilot, however, made cast anchor because it was not far [from there]
dangerous; in the morning when the anchor was lifted again and one had gone
barely 30 feet the boat ran onto a rock, and it crashed that one thought it
would break in the middle. The anxious crying began, and one could see where
there was faith or not. Then the captain had a warning shot fired and had a
flag of distress hoisted, but we drove far out to the sea so that we saw no
land anymore for days and even thought we would never see it again.
....Those people who have means and are interested in this land and need not
of into debt, those I advise to stay where they are because the journey is
onerous and very dangerous. Thus who want to come to this land shall be well
provided with butter and bacon, dried apple snips and plums, and flour, wine
and brandy and dried bread, tea and sugar. And if young people come and
cannot pay the fare, there are enough people to redeem them from the boat,
and they must serve them a certain time for it. There are people with whom I
have talked myself who had brought not a penny into the land and had to
serve for their fare, now [they] are very rich people. But I do not know to
write much of the land because we came into it quite late, and everything
had already been harvested, and one should not rely much on the talk of
other people. Thus I am willing, if it were to please the Lord in Heaven, to
send very accurate news in the future when I have investigated things
myself.
Another passenger wrote:
"....From Rotterdam to Philadelphia 1400 hours of travel." The voyage was
described as "dangerous, difficult, boring, and costly...We had to endure
almost every kind of sickness on the ocean... There also was much remorse on
the wearisome trip, especially for those with small children. I may not
advise anyone to come because of the hindrance of the journey."
Nicholas Strasbach was Catholic and we believe he spent the winter in
Philadelphia where he would have attended the Catholic Mass house St.
Joseph's. Here he would learn that there were Catholic Jesuit missions from
Maryland in Lancaster County where lands were being opened for settlements.
He and other families from Saulxures moved into Lancaster County where they
cleared lands, built houses and settled in. By 1750 he was granted a Warrant
for 100 acres in Paradise township part of the new county of York which was
formed out of Lancaster in 1749.
He died shortly there after in 1753.
More About Nicholas Strasbaugh and Catherine Gerard:
Marriage: January 29, 1717/18, Saulxures, France.
Marriage Notes for Nicholas Strasbaugh and Catherine Gerard:
FROM THE CATHOLIC PARISH RECORDS IN SAULXURES, FRANCE
In the year of Our Lord 1718 January 29 after having published three bans of
Marriage between Nicholas Strasbach, and Catherine Gerard both residing at
Saulxures, hearing no one voice objection the under signed priest and cure
of the ban of Plaine and Saulxures having received their mutual consent and
giving Nuptial Blessing. The ceremony preformed in the presence of Jean
Ferry, Pierre Benoist and Nicholas Melos.
Third Generation
Nicholas Strasbach, Jr., b. April 06, 1721, Saulxures,
d. Bef. 1800, Menallen TWP ?, York, Pennsylvania. Nicholas married
Madlena Dillon (Delon), daughter of Peter Dillon/Delon and Agatha Munier.
This connection of Peter to Catherine is not
established. It is conjecture re on my part.
Pigeon Hills Settlers
Examination of the map of Pigeon Hills settlers and comparison with the
Strasbach family history discloses considerable intermarriage among these
settlers.
Among Nicolas Strasbach's children:
Nicolas Strasbach (J5) m. Madlena Delon/Dillon
Anna Strasbach m. Nicolas Ory (N10)
Judith Strasbach m. John Heidler (M16)
Catherine Strasbach m. Jacob Shupe/Schoff (M11) (Princess Augusta Jacob
Stubes???)
Margaret Strasbach m. Nicolas Noel (K-11) (should be marked as so n-in-law
on map)
Among his grandchildren:
Nicolas > Nicolas
Peter Strasbach m. Barbara Noel 2-Nicolas,
Nicholas Strasbach m. Magdelena Heidler
Nicolas > Michael
Nicholas Strasbach m. Mary Magdalena Heidler
Among his great grandchildren:
Nicolas > Nicolas > Peter
Margaret Maria Strasbach m. Charles Delon/Dillon
Joseph Strasbach m. Christine Berger/Bauger (probably fami ly of Frederick
Bauger N9)
Peter Strasbach m. Catherine Berger/Bauger (probably fami ly of Frederick
Bauger N9)
Nicolas > Michael > Michael
Catherine Strasbach m. Michael Noel
Polly Strasbach m. Jacob Noel
Nicolas > Michael > Henry
Benjamin Paulus Strasbach m. Rebecca Noel
Nicolas > Michael > Catherine (m. Anthony Little)
Magdelena Little m. Thomas Brady (probably family of Jo hn Bready M14,M15)
Later generations show further intermarriages.
By Horace Ory
 Notes for Nicholas
Strasbach, Jr.
"Genealogical Abstracts of Eighteenth Century Original and Mostly
Unrecorded Deeds Pertaining to Adams County, Pennsylvania". Dockets of
Unrecorded Deeds: Drafts, Abstracts, and Wills - Adams Co., PA. by Ray
J. Snyder (1958).
Berwick Township
17. 6 February 1768 - Nicholas Strasbach, Berwick Township, yeoman,
sold 73 acres to George Noll of same, cordwainer. This was part of a
192 3/4 acre tract obtained by Warrant 12 July 1746 by James Reed.
Tract originally adjoined land of John Smith, John Carr, James
McTagert, and Henry Kerhart. Reed, on 11 September 1765, sold the
tract to Andrew Foreman, who in 12 September 1765, sold the 73 acres
to Strasbach. Strasbach's purchase of adjoined land of Henry Kerhart,
John Grin, John Smith (now Mary Ray), the
other part of the whole tract (now owned by Adam Long), and James
McTagert.
Deed signed by Nicholas Strasbach (his X mark) and
Madlena Strasbach (her X mark).
Witnesses were Robt. Owings and Hen. Slagle.
Nicholas came up from Frederick, Frederick Co., Maryland to administer
his Father's estate. See York Co. Orphans Court, Book B page 10, 24
Mar 1763
Resided in Cocalico Twp, Lancaster Co. Pa; Frederick Co, MD; Berwick
TWP, Adams Co., Pa; Married Matlena..., prior to 1748, probably
in Lancaster Co, Pa. While residing in Calico TWP, his name is
spelled as Tresback, this was in 1755. By 1762 he was in York Co., in
that part that later became Berwick TWP. He was on tax rolls for 1762.
On 13 May 1766, a tract of land in Berwick TWP, along the York Rd was
surveyed by Nicholas, indicating that he was still living there at the
time. It is believed he was living not far from the French Settlement
in Pigeon Hills. Between 1766 and 1772 he moved to Buchanan Valley in
the western part of York Co and located in what was later to become Menallen TWP, Adams Co. In 1772, both he and his son Peter appear on
the tax rolls there. This is where I am not sure the Nicholas on the
tax rolls are the same as Nicholas Jr. Nicholas also lived in
Frederick Co. MD as shown as a place of residence when his father's
will was probated.
It is
presumed by many, that Nicholas had a son
who moved to North Carolina and went by the name of Nicholas Trosper.
More About Nicholas Strasbach, Jr.:
Census: 1790, Census Records pg 283.
More About Nicholas Strasbach, Jr. and <Unnamed>:
Marriage: Abt. 1747, Lancaster Co, Now York Co, Pennsylvania. |
Children of Nicholas Strasbach, Jr. and Madlena Dillon/Delon:
| i |
Michael Strasbach, b. Bet.
1747 - 1757, d. Bef. 1771. |
| ii |
Peter Strasbach, b. Abt. 1748, d. date unknown. |
| iii |
John Strasbach, d. date
unknown. |
| iv |
Nicholas Trosper Strasbach,
born circa 1750, died after 1817, KY or
MO. |
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The connection to Nicholas Trosper in Maryland to Nicholas Strasbach
in Pennsylvania
HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN!
Dominic's Site:
http://www.mcn.org/2/noel/location.htm
Hi All
I am sending this to my Seven Families list to insure I do not miss anyone
who would be interested.
I had to go to Philadelphia yesterday and took advantage to stop in the
Pennsylvania Historical Society for a few hours. I was able to search the
1769 - 1774 1778 And 1779 Tax lists.
The 1779 tax list for York county is in a bound book with index. It is
interesting to note Nicholas and Peter Strasbach various spelling Trosper
Trasper Trasbaugh can not be found - yet they appear in the 1790
census. From this I take it they were not in Pennsylvania at the time.
I looked for them in the microfilm list for the other years and did not find
them there either. It seems to bear out more proof that Nicholas Strasbach
was the Nicholas Trosper in Fredrick Maryland as the sale of this father's
land in 1756 indicated. He did not return until after the Rev. War. Of
course the DNA test will help solve this mystery.
I copied the Paradise 1769 Tax list and transcribed it! It is attached. It
is interesting to note that Michael Strasbach did not own land and was not
listed as single, at that time. he does have land by 1774.
Their are other Seven families on the Paradise tax list Dillon, Noel.
Dominic
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Fourth Generation
 Nicholas TROSPER, Sr. Born circa 1747 in/of Knox Co., Kentucky. Nicholas
died in Knox Co. or Missouri?
bef 1817, he was around 70. Nicholas
married Sallye BURCHFIELD, daughter of Robert BURCHFIELD &
Elizabeth Justice. She was born about 1751.
Nicholas Trosper - Note: the connection
between the Strasbach and Trosper name has
not been proven, but through
records, family associations and marriages, etc. it is highly likely that Nicholas Trosper is Nicholas Strasbach.
Nicholas was a blacksmith and a soldier.
One of the earliest records found so far concerned his service as a Captain
in the Continental Army: from Morganton District, Burke
County, North Carolina, with Col. Charles McDowell, 1784--Captain of
Militia, DAR No. 690369
24 June 1784 certificate signed by P. B. Elledge for the State of North Carolina (Archives Building, Raleigh, North
Carolina): "This certifies that the Board of Auditors have allowed
Nicholas Trosper one pound, 10 shillings, agreeable to an act of the General
Assembly in such cases." Claim No. 3834, Morgan District.
2 July 1784 - "This certifies that the Board
of Auditors have allowed Nicholas Trosper, Captain, eleven pounds, five
shillings for militia service agreeable to an act of the General Assembly in
such cases." Claim No. 4062, Morgan District.
May, 1790 - an auditor reports an account of
clothing, currency and special payment sent to the Army Commissions in New
York, that one N. Trosper was paid 33 pounds, 2 shillings. It does not
specify the district but was apparently filed from the Hillsboro, N.
Carolina offices, at that time, the most western military head-quarters for
the army.
 The 1790 North Carolina, Burke County,
NC Federal
Census lists for Morgan District: Nicholas Trorps 3 white males
16 and up (born 1774 or before); 3 white males under 16; (born after 1774) and 3 white females.
The 1800 Burke County, North Carolina Federal
Census shows Nicholas Trosper:
3 males between age of 16 and 26; (born between 1774 and 1784) 1
male 45 and up, (born 1755 or before) 1 female 45 and up and 1 slave. Same location as in
1790.
I don't know exactly when the Trosper's went from North Carolina
to Kentucky. Burke
County, NC is on the Western side of the state, close to KY. Trosper's
started showing up in Knox County KY in 1807 and they were in the NC 1800
census, so sometime between 1800 and 1807; quite possibly in 1807.
Nicolas could be buried in the Trosper
Cemetery in Davies County, MO or he could be in NC, the picture on the right
is the cemetery in Missouri.
1807
Tax List for Knox County:
June 9 - Trosper, Nicholas
June 1 - Trosper, Robert - Trosper, Elijah, Peter, James
Trosper
1808 Knox County Tax List:
May 16 Trosper, Nicholas Jr, Trosper, Peter,
Trosper, Robert
May 17 Trosper, Nicholas Sr, Trosper, Elijah
1809 Knox County County Tax List
July 31
Trosper, Nicolas, Jr Trosper, Robert Trosper, Nicolas Sr
Aug 2 Trosper, James
No Trospers are listed
before 1807 in Kentucky.
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Tracking the
Tropser’s Census research:
The 1790
North Carolina, Burke County, NC Federal Census lists for Morgan District:
Pg. 88* (spelling Tro(s/r)ps.
*same
page as Patton, McDowell, Burchfield, Trosper-Nicholas, Erwin, Boone,
Fox,
Day.
Nicholas
Trorps 3 white males 16 and up (born 1774 or
before); (Nicholas, Elijah, Robert) 3 white males under 16; (born after
1774) (James, Peter, Nicholas, Jr.) and
3 white females. Sally is one of the females, who are the
other two, the two girls that Nicholas and Sally had? A Mary Trosper and
our Arbuthnot?
What
happened to the three women that were in Nicholas’ household in 1790 in NC?
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The 1800
Burke County, North Carolina Federal Census shows:
Nicholas Trosper: 3 males between age of 16 and 26; (born between
1774 and 1784) 1 male 45 and up, (born 1755 or before)
1 female 45 and up and 1 slave. Same
location as in 1790. This is Sally, Nicholas, Sr., and probably
James, Nicholas Jr, and Peter?
If James had five children between circa
1792-1808 before he married Nellie Mahan in 1808, where are they? Maybe
it’s not him in his father’s house in 1800. (I am going by 18 as when James
would be old enough to have kids.)
Elijah & Robert are on their own now
and both have land deeds in NC for 1799. Robert's name is then spelled
Trasper on the record.
Elijah Trosper is listed on
page 800 Burke co NC in 1800, one male under ten (born 1790-1800), one male
26-44 (1756-1774), one female under ten (1790-1800), one female 26-44
(1775-1784), two female (1756-1774), one female over 45.
Sometime
between 1800 and 1807, the Trosper’s migrated west from Burke Co., NC area
to Knox County, KY.
1807 Tax
List for Knox County:
June 9 - Trosper, Nicholas
June 1 - Trosper, Robert, Elijah, Peter, James
This is Nicholas and all his sons
1808 Knox
County Tax List:
May 16 Trosper, Nicholas Jr, Peter,
Robert
May 17 Trosper, Nicholas Sr, Elijah
1809 Knox
County County Tax List July 31:
Trosper, Nicolas, Jr, Robert, Nicolas Sr
Aug 2 Trosper, James
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1810 Knox
County, Kentucky Federal Census:
All on
Roll M252-7, page 64
Nicholas Trosper,
two males under ten (born 1800-1810), one male over 45 (born 1765 or
before), two females 10-15 (born 1795-1800),
one female 26-44 (born 1766-1784)
Who does Nicholas have in his house with
him? Male over 45 is Nicholas, two females, Hannah Barilla and Milley?,
(his granddaughters by his son James?) who is the female 26-44 ? James is
now married to Nellie Mahan (1808) and must be living with her somewhere
else. The boys born 1800-1810 could be James two sons, John and
William.
Nicholas remarried to Elizabeth Bateman
in Kentucky in 1822, did he know her for a long time before he married,
(this would be 12 yrs before he married her) could this be her before they
married? This is a wild guess on my part.
Peter Trosper
– NOT FOUND, maybe away at war? He does have land in 1806 Knox co.,
KY
Robert Trosper,
two males under ten (born 1800-1810), one male 10-15 (born 1795-1810), one
male 26-44 (born 1766-1784), two females under ten (born 1800-1810),
one female 10-15 (born 1795-1800), one female
16-25 (born 1785-1794), one female 26-44 (born 1766-1794)
Nicholas Trosper, JR.,
(married Rachel Brank) one male under ten (born 1800-1810), one male 26-44
(born 1766-1784), (this is Nicholas Jr.) two females
under ten (born 1800-1810), one female 26-44 (born 1766-1794) (this
is Rachel).
Elijah Trosper,
three males under ten (born 1800-1810), one male 10-15 (born 1795-1800), one
male 16-25 (born 1785-1794), one male 26-44 (born 1766-1784), one male 45
and over (born 1765 or before), (this would be Elijah)
two females under ten (born 1800-1810), one
female 10-15 (born 1795-1800), one female 16-25 (born 1785-1794), one female
26-44 (born 1766-1794), one female 45 and over (born 1765 or before).
James Trosper,
one male 16-25 (born 1785-1794), one female under
ten, (born 1800-1810), one female 16-25 (born 1785-1794) – the female
16-25 would be Nellie, and maybe the young girl is Arbuthnot?
Notes for JAMES
TROSPER:
James is in the 1810 and 1820 Knox
County, KY, census. In 1830 he is apparently in Whitley County (there's no
James Trosper listed that year, but a "James Traspin" was in Whitley). In
1840 and 1850 he is in Laurel County.
In the 1810 KNOX Cty. census there
appears to be only James, Eleanor (Nellie), and a
young daughter in the household. The info on ages and birthplaces
for James’ and Eleanor Mahan are taken from the 1850 census. There are five
land grants listed for James Trosper in the 1830s. One, in 1831 in Whitley
County, was to James Trosper Sr. the others, in Laurel and Whitley, were to
James with no clarifier, so I don't know if the grants were to Sr or Jr.
1820 Knox
County, Federal Census
No Nicholas, as he is in Indiana, Lawrence
County, in 1820; one of the females below could be Milly, but she married
Simon in January 1820 in Lawrence county, and don’t think she would be in
the Knox county, KY census later that same year?
James Trosper: Three males under
ten yrs (born 1810-1820), (these have to be sons by Nellie if they were born
1810-1820) one male 26-45 yrs old, (born 1775-1794), (this is
James senior) three females under ten (born
1810-1820), (these have to be by
Nellie, but the dates are before the birthdates I have on his second batch
of children) one female ten to 16 (born 1794-1810), one female
26-45 (born 1775-1794) (Nellie?)
According to the birth years of his
second children below, one of the males above in the 1820 could be Nellie’s,
the first born, James but the other males born to Nellie were much later…
these would have to be sons by first wife?
James’ children by his first unknown
wife: (James being born circa 1774, would have been old enough to start
having children at 18 in 1792, but have easily waited until a little later.)
1. Arbuthnot Trosper (Mildred/Milley
born circa 1795/1800
(went to Indiana)
2. Hannah Barilla Trosper, born 1795-1800 (probably died in Kentucky)
3. Peter Trosper, born circa 1800? (stayed in Kentucky?)
3. John Trosper, born circa 1800 (went to Indiana and IL)
4. William Trosper, born circa 1807 and died in 1883 (went to IN/IL)
Note, if James had a John Trosper by
his first wife, Unknown, why would he name a John Trosper by his second
wife, Nellie Mahan, could this be right? Why would he name his first son by
Nellie (James), and never name a son by the first woman James? Doesn’t fit
with naming patterns…. But not impossible…
Children of JAMES TROSPER and ELEANOR
MAHAN are: (why the four year wait for a child? Did one die young or in
child birth before the rest, or did it just take that long for her to get
preg?
JAMES TROSPER, b. Abt. 1812, KY;
d. January 1, 1853, Laurel Co., KY.
NANCY TROSPER, b. Abt. 1819, KY; d. Aft. 1860.
HENDERSON TROSPER, b. Abt. 1824, KY
CATHERINE TROSPER, b. Abt. 1827, KY; d. Abt. 1861
JOHN TROSPER, b. Abt. 1827, KY
MILTON TROSPER, b. Abt. 1828, KY
RACHEL TROSPER, b. Abt. 1832, IL |
It appears the Trosper's were in three counties in Kentucky (perhaps
others too) but the main one's were Laurel, Whitley and Knox.
Nicholas Trosper and Sally Burchfield had the
following children (no birth date for Sally or marriage record for Nicholas
and Sally found as of yet).
In an article titled "Wisps of Smoke" from
a Virginia Genealogical Publication, there was a notation that "the last
mention of Robert Burchfield, Sr. in surviving Burke County, NC records is
in the July, 1802 Court Minutes of Wills, estates and Orphans where
Nicholas Prosper was appointed administrator to settle the estate of
Robert and Elizabeth Burchfield (both) deceased." There are footnotes
and references contained in the article.
|
i |
Robert
Trosper, born circa 1772/1774, married Obedience Burchfield.
Son of Robert directly above,
John Trosper - Born on 29 Jun 1789 in Burke Co.,
North Carolina.
John married Ann Woolsey, September 18, 1814, Anne was born in VA
(possibly).
Peter Trosper, son of John and Anne
Woolsey Trosper, was born in Knox County, Kentucky.
With his
parents he moved to Missouri as a young man. In 1854 he left
Missouri and moved to Kansas where he settled on the Vermillion,
Marshall County line. At least seven of his sons went to Kansas
with him, they were John Dan, William, Hugh, Gilbert, George Matt,
Thomas Solomon George Washington Greeley (one person), Joseph H. and
Robert Elijah. Peter Trosper reportedly buried "across creek
from Dodson Farm." "They migrated from Kentucky, first stopping
in Missouri. Travel was by ox team, and they slashed their road
part of the way. He (John) had given us two slaves valued at
about $1,500 each, but my father refused to accept them. Being
freed, the slaves did not know what to do, as no one would take them
north, so they followed the Trosper,s and were with them until their
deaths." As told to Gertrude Roper by her father. Thomas Gilbert Woolsey Trosper was another son of John Trosper and
Ann Woolsey,
see more on
that line here.
|
|
ii |
 Elijah Sr.
Trosper - Born on 21 Jan 1773 in North Carolina. Elijah Sr. died in Daviess Co.,
Missouri. Elijah Sr.
married Abigail HIGGINS. Born on 9 May 1778. They
had Elijah Leonard Trosper Jr. who moved to Missouri also.
Pictured on left is Benjamin Franklin Trosper, Born: 19 Dec 1829
Knox County, Kentucky and Died: 12 Dec 1868 Breckenridge, Caldwell
Co., Missouri
Trosper Cemetery, Rural Breckenridge, MO. |
|
iii |
James Sidney Trosper
- Born in 1774. James died in 1862,
he was 88, where did he die?. On 11 Aug 1808 when James was 34, he married
Nellie
MAHAN, in Knox Co., Kentucky.
We think James
was married before Nellie to another woman by the name of
Elizabeth, last name unknown and had five children by
her, this first marriage is my most recent and best guess as to
who the parents of my Arbuthnot "Milly"
Trosper are, there is more below (about
this
"guess" and is unproven at the moment). See
James' descendants through his
second wife here (courtesy Jeff Renner).
Note: I received
this information and photos about James and his second wife Nellie Mahan from another on another researcher's page :
Jeff Renner;
his
page
here.
 This
photo is of James
and Delila Storm, Trosper on left. This is a very old photo; James died in 1853. After his death Delila
married William Whitaker, son of John Whitaker and Mary Baker." "James
Trosper was born in Kentucky about 1812 to James Sidney Trosper
and Elenor
"Nellie" Mahan.
Delila Storm was born 9 May 1819 in Laurel County to James Storm and
Sarah McHargue. Some of Delila's sibling married into Arnold, Arthur,
Doan, and Renner families (three Storm siblings married three Arnold
siblings).
This is a very old photo; James died in 1853. After his death Delila
married William Whitaker, son of John Whitaker and Mary Baker."
Children of John
Bolin Baker and Catherine Trosper:
Right and below are two photos of children of John Bolin/Bolen/Bolling Baker and
Catherine Trosper right.
John was the son of Andrew Baker (1765-1842) and Hannah Unknown
(surname was possibly Roberts). Born about 1824 in Knox (now Laurel)
County, John is thought to be the youngest of perhaps 20 children
Andrew had with at least wives.
Catherine Trosper, born about 1827, was the daughter of
James Trosper
and Eleanor
"Nellie" Mahan,
and sister to James Trosper, Jr.
Thomas Jefferson Whitaker was born 8 May
1841 in either Laurel or Pulaski County to Mills Whitaker and
Sidney Arnold. Charity Trosper was born about 1843 in
either Laurel or Pulaski County to
James Trosper and Delila Storm.
|
|
iv. |
Peter
Trosper - Born
in 1778 in Burke Co., North Carolina. Peter died aft 1860, he was 82.
Peter married Matilda Caroline PATTON.
The Patton family was a very large and well to do family known
throughout Virginia, and held extensive tracts of land in some of
the most
Read the following letter about Peter's association with Davy
Crockett:
Editors’ Introduction: As our
faithful readers know, during 2000 there was a dispute between our own
Bruce Whitaker and a historian at the State Division of Archives and
History concerning Davy Crockett’s participation in the construction
of a bridle trail where Old Fort Road runs today. Bruce provided us
with the following letter from then-Congressman Crockett to a relative
residing in Swannanoa, showing Crockett’s close involvement with his
Buncombe County relations. Bruce also provided the explanatory notes
in the parentheses throughout to help us understand the letter, as
well as a short commentary at the end. Davy Crockett’s spelling and
punctuation, which are often different from those we use today, have
been left as they were in the original letter.
Washington City 27th January 1829
My Dear Brother (George Patton his brother-in-law, a son of Robert
Patton)
I received your favour (letter) of the 11th and parused its contents
with great pleasure. All except the part were it relates to the
disagreeable situation of friends differing. It is the worst of all
fuses (fusses). I received a letter on yesterday (Jan. 26, 1829) from
John (John Wesley Crockett, David’s son) which affected my feelings a
great deal. That was in the consequence of the Death of our poor
little niece Rebecca Ann Burgin (daughter of Abner Burgin and Margaret
Patton Burgin). She had been at my house for two or three days and on
the first day of this month (Jan.1, 1829). She was playing with my
children in my horse mill, walking around after the oxen and stopped
opposite one of the outside posts and the end arm or brace that which
the oxen worked to, caught her head against a post and mashed it all
to peaces. Poor little dear creature never knew what hurt her. I
thought almost as much of her as one of my own. I hope she is this day
in eternal happiness.
Where I am endoevuring to make my way. I have
altered my course since I reached this place (Washington, D.C.) I have
not taised one drop of harden spiruits since I arrived here. Nor never
expects to while I live. Nothing stronger than cider. I trust God will
give me fortitude in my undertaking. I have never made a pretention to
religion in my life before. I have run a long race, tho I trust that I
was called in good time. I have been reproved many times for my
wickedness by my dear wife (Elizabeth Patton Crockett); who I am
certain will be no little astonished when she gets information of my
determination. You write me that father (Robert Patton) is going to
visit our country (West Tennessee) and also brother Trosper (Peter
Trosper, who married Matilda Caroline Patton, daughter of Robert
Patton. Both Robert Patton, George Patton, and the Trospers
were living in Swannanoa at this time).
I have know doubt but brother
Trosper will be well pleased with our country (West Tennessee),
and it will be a pleasing seen to all of us to see father in our
country and also it will be an unexpected one to all his children.
Brother McWharter (Hance McWhorter, who married Ann Catherine Patton,
another daughter of Robert Patton) has moved down in my neighborhood,
in fact to my old place. The old gentleman (Robert Patton) will find
us all close together. I should like to be home when brother
Trosper is there on several ocasions. I will be home (from
Washington D.C.) between the 17th and 20th of March, if it is Gods
will to keep me in health. I shall leave here about the 4th or 5th of
March and if no bad luck, l will reach home in eleven days. Brother
William (William Edmundson, who married Sarah Patton, another daughter
of Robert Patton) wrote to me that John (either Crockett’s son John or
a son of William Edmundson; likely Crockett’s son because of the $20
paid Young) had got my mare and coult (colt ) from that Young man,
though he did not write me he paid twenty dollars (Young would be John
Young, 1773-1851, because he lived next door to the Patton farm, owned
many slaves, and was the only Young anywhere near the Pattons, and
both of his sons and one daughter married William Edmundson’s
children). I consider that gentleman (Young) had no business with her
(the mare) except he had brought her home. As I wrote him (Young), I
had no idea of his getting to keep; tharefore I consider the case the
same as you and brother Trosper (Peter Trosper) does, that he had no
right to make a charge (charging $20 to keep the horse).
Brother William (Edmundson) wrote to me, that he (Young) wished to by
(buy) her (the mare) and the coult (colt), and that he (Young) would
bring me a negro boy in one year, ten years of age and well grown, if
I would give him the mare and coult and send him one hundred and fifty
dollars at the time. I could not do it, because in the first place, I
built a mill last summer and got in debt and have not the money to
spare, and in the second place, I can get a negro here (Washington,
D.C.) of that discription for less than $150. And should rather keep
my mare for I have a fine stud horse at home (Tennessee), a coult
which I would like to breed from that mare, And would like much if
father (Robert Patton) and brother (Peter Trosper) could bring
her (the mare) out (to Crockett’s home in Tennessee from Swannanoa on
their planned visit). This I wish you to inform them. I wish you to
tender my kindest freindship to all my connection, also except to
yourself and family, my warmest esteem. I must conclude with a hope
that the protecting hand of the Almighty may bless, guard and protect
you and all our conection (relatives) is the Prayer of your
affectionate brother.
Farewell
David Crockett
George Patton
PS Please write imediately on recept of these lines, let me know how
all is.
D.C.
Comments by Bruce Whitaker:
This letter tells a great many things. First, that David Crockett was
keeping a horse and colt in Buncombe County as late as 1829. Crockett
would not keep a horse here unless he was going to be in Buncombe
County often. He and the other Patton relations in West Tennessee kept
in constant contact with their family in Buncombe. It also indicates
that the some of the family visited back and forth between Swannanoa
and Tennessee often.
Robert Patton traveled to West Tennessee
at least twice in his late eighties. He and his son-in-law, Peter
Trosper, visited there in 1829.They were both listed in Buncombe
County a year later in the 1830 Census. Robert Patton and the
Trosper family moved to Gibson County, Tennessee, in 1831 where Robert
Patton died on November 11,1832 at age 90. David Crockett was in
Swannanoa often enough to know all the neighbors of the Patton's and to
keep up with the local gossip. |
|
 Son
of Peter directly above, William
R. Trosper. (this is Joe's line) Born on 26 Jan 1804 in Burke
Co., North Carolina.
William R. married Elizabeth ISRAEL. Born in North Carolina.
Picture of Isreal M. Trsoper, born in 1831, NC - William's son, with his
sister, Susan Trosper.
Peter Rosco Trosper, "RT" son of Isreal M. Trosper, left.
Picture on right is of
John
Anderson Trosper (born 1891), son of Peter Rosco Trosper, he is pictured
here with his wife; Mary Ellen Hibbs |
|
v. |
Nicholas Livingston Trosper- Born on 19 Dec 1781 in Burke
Co., North Carolina. Nicholas died in Davies Co., Missouri on 4 Oct
1851, he was 69.
Nicholas married
Rachel BRANK,
daughter of Peter Brank and Rubye Rebecca Alexander,
born 17 November, 1745 in PA. Nicholas Livingston Trosper and
his wife Rachel Brank moved to Daviess County, Missouri in 1836 or
1837 with Nicholas' three brothers, Elijah Sr., Robert Sr., and
John Sr. Most of Nicholas and Rachel's children were born in
Knox Cty, Ky. Rachel's father was wounded in the Rev War and died from
his wounds while Rachel was a small child.. "Peter Brank was
wounded 12 September 1780, with McDowell's forces at Cowans Ford on
Cane Creek. See page 199 "Kings Mountain & It's Heroes - Draper;
other sources indicate he died October 7, 1780. Both Rachel and
Nicholas are buried in the Trosper Cemetery , near Breckenridge,
Missouri. |
Please Note: My family has been searching for the
parents of our Arbuthnot Trosper for over 25 years and to date (2005) we
have not proven anything. One researcher, last year (2004) indicated
that James Trosper, son of Nicholas and Sally was married previous to Nellie
Mahan, as James was approximately 35 yrs old when he married Nellie, it
would make sense that he WAS indeed previously married and when his wife
died, his children ended up in his parent's home to raise (Nicholas Trosper
and Sally Burchfield). This researcher said they'd send proof, but
none has ever been forthcoming, so I still don't know who her parents were.
Our Arbuthnot had ALL girls, so we can not determine her father through male
naming patterns ! We also don't know who Arbuthnot was named for, and
I have speculated in the past that perhaps her mother was an "Arbuthnot"
that I recently discovered was a Scottish Surname. I've done some
limited research on the name and there were persons with the surname in the
United States during her time period, but to date have not determined
anything else about the name and the connection to our Arbuthnot. She
went by the name "Milley" and "Mildred" as I guess she wasn't all that fond
of Arbuthnot. I have James "placed" below as the fourth generation and
father of our Arbuthnot, but this is just a guess at the moment.
Nicholas and James were in Indiana at different points in time and we assume
it was to visit her (Arbuthnot).
Fourth Generation
 James
Trosper - Was born in 1774
and died in 1862,
when he was approximately 88. James first married unknown and
had five children by this woman. Little is known about this
family and the link is unproven, but as information is obtained, I will place it here.
James' first wife (unknown) apparently died as his children ended up living with
their grandparents (Nicholas Trosper and
Sally Burchfield) while James was in Indiana visiting his son.
This information comes from census research.
On 11 Aug 1808 when James was 34, he married Nellie
MAHAN, in Knox Co., Kentucky.
Trosper,
James and Nellie Mahan August 11, 1808 E Foley
Kentucky Marriage Records:
Elizabeth Bateman & Nicholas Trosper
June 16, 1822 is Nicholas Jr.?
(did Nicholas remarried after Sally Burchfield died?)
Nancy Jones & William Trosper July 29, 1824
John
Isom Trosper & Anna Woolsey September 8, 1814
Some how the name Isom fits in our line. Milley was listed
somewhere as "Milley Erwin Isom."
Nelly Mahan & James Trosper August
11, 1808; this is Arbuthnot's father remarrying, we think.
Arbuthnot's (Milley) mother must have died some time before 1808.
She more than likely died of child birth.
|
TROSPER |
ABIGAIL |
BARTON |
JAMES
C. |
03/28/1859 |
|
TROSPER |
ABIGAIL |
HIGGINS |
WILLIAM J. |
10/26/1865 |
|
TROSPER |
DEMCY
E. |
CHANCE |
ELIZABETH W. |
07/30/1857 |
|
TROSPER |
ELIJAH |
SENTER |
ELIZABETH |
02/18/1857 |
|
TROSPER |
ELIJAH L. |
JONES |
ANGELINE M. |
09/04/1856 |
|
TROSPER |
ELIZABETH |
JONES |
LEWIS
G. |
10/03/1860 |
|
TROSPER |
FRANK |
DAVIS |
RACHEL J. |
11/08/1864 |
|
TROSPER |
JAHU |
BATY |
MARY
E. |
05/17/1864 |
|
TROSPER |
JAMES |
MAHAN |
NELLIE |
08/11/1808 |
|
TROSPER |
JOHN |
WOOLSEY |
ANNE |
09/08/1814 |
|
TROSPER |
MALINDA |
TURNER |
GREE |
11/19/1863 |
|
TROSPER |
MARGARET M. |
HELTON |
GEORGE M |
01/12/1865 |
|
TROSPER |
RACHAEL |
PFAFF |
EMANUEL |
01/22/1856 |
|
TROSPER |
THOMAS |
SENTERS |
MARGARET |
10/02/1859 |
|
TROSPER |
WILLIAM |
BARTON |
ELIZABETH |
09/18/1864 |
Trosper Birth Records (Knox County,
KY)
TROSPER, AMERICA 05/10/1856 ISRAEL
TROSPER SUSAN HELTON
TROSPER, DEMCY 08/17/1853 LARKIN TROSPER FRANCES CAMPBELL
TROSPER, PETER 02/12/1852 HENRY TROSPER FRANCES CAMPBELL
TROSPER, RACHEL F. 10/05/1854 ISRAEL TROSPER SUSAN HELTON
TROSPER, WILLIAM 04/07/1855 LARKIN TROSPER MAHALA VOTAW
Trosper
Cemetery Located in Knox County, Kentucky
James Trosper, born circa 1774 and his FIRST
unknown wife had the
following children: (this is a guess)
| i. |
Arbuthnot Trosper (Mildred or Milly
is what she went by) was born circa 1795/1800 |
| ii. |
Hannah Barilla
Trosper, born circa 1795-1800 |
| iii. |
John Trosper,
born circa 1800-1810 -
John Trosper married Sarah Montgomery in
1819 in Clark Co, Indiana and had two children
Nelson and Elizabeth.
She (Sarah) had died by the time she was 28 she is buried in the ____
Cemetery in Indiana. I got this from a family study my grandmother's cousin did in the
1930's. My ancestry includes the Montgomery's, but not this particular
line or it's a distant relations hip as I know at this point. Montgomery line
as well. John Trosper married Sarah Ann
Blair in Lawrence County, Indiana 25 December 1829.
In 1834/5 John Trosper is listed as buying two or three items at a
sale of Lydian Montgomery's estate. I figured out that Lydia
was the sister of his wife, Sarah Montgomery; so he was at the sale
of his sister-in-law's. Interesting note, there was a person
name 'Barilla' at the sale as well. I can't make out the last
name. Could this be Milly's sister? At any rate, we
now know John Trosper was in Indiana in 1835.
The Montgomery and Erwin were Scott Irish, and were first in PA and
then came south to North Carolina, and from there they went further
west. |
| iv. |
William Trosper,
born circa 1807 and died in 1883, he is in the 1820 Clark County, Indiana
census with his grandfather, Nicholas above. In 1830, William
and John (siblings) are in Lawrence County, Indiana,
(where our Arbuthnot was
too) by 1840 they are in
Vermillion County, IL. John died about 1843 and William lived
until 1883. John is William's older brother. John's son is
Thompson Trosper, Correll's ancestor. |
| v. |
Peter Trosper, born around 1800? |
|
 3/6/04
Copied from James Atkins Shackford's biography "David Crockett (The
Man and The Legend)" by Jim W. Drew-Whitaker.
GG-grandmother Charity Trosper Whiteaker's G-uncle Peter Trosper was
"Davy" Crockett's brother-in-law. "G-uncle" Peter Trosper's wife
(Matilda Patton) was the sister of "Davy" Crockett's 2nd wife
(Elizabeth Patton).
This is a letter John (Crockett) wrote to his Uncle George Patton (the
George Patton to whom "Davy" Crockett had written) four months after
(his father) David Crockett's death. John Crockett was a teacher and
a lawyer.
Trenton 9th July 1836
Dear Sir:
You have doubtless seen the account of my father's fall at the Alamo
in
Texas. He is gone from among us, and is no more to be seen in the
walks of men, but his death like Sampson, he slew more of his enemies
than in all his life. [For} Even his most bitter enemies here, I
believe, have buried all animosity, and joined the general lamentation
over his untimely end.
I have been appointed administrator of your father (Robert Patton)
with
his will annexed, since my father's death. And the object of this
communication is to inform you that it will be necessary for me to
bring the business of the estate to an immediate close, and
consequently it will be necessary for you to come or send out as soon
as you possibly can, and attend to settling up your interest in the
estate--Your note is here with Uncle's [sic] Peter (Trosper) and Abner
(Burgin) as securities, and is entitled to sundry credits if you will
come out & have them allowed. your own legacy and mother's (Elizabeth
Patton Crockett) are both to come out of it, but if you don't attend
to it in the course of two or three months, I shall be compelled,
however it may conflict with my feelings to proceed against your
securities.
This would
be very far from my wish or feelings, as you must know, but the law
points out my duties and I am compelled to go by it.
We have no
news, of any importance. We are going ahead here for "Judge white",
and I hope you North Carolinians will join and assist us in resisting
executive dictation. Please present me kindly to your family and
permit me in conclusion to subscribe myself as ever Yr devoted friend
& obt servt.
John W. Crockett
This is what Dr. H. S. Stout, who at the time (of "Davy Crockett's
death) was a grown boy almost out of his teens and fully capable of
observation and of memory (jwdw note: Dr. H. S. Stout was probably a
descendant of our ancestor Richard Stout of Trenton, New Jersey; died
1705).
When the news of the massacre in the Alamo reached Nashville,
Tennessee, the writer well remembers seeing adult men and women shed
tears on account of the death of David Crockett. None ever knew him
personally, who did not love him; none who were were familiar with his
public career, that did not admire him. the whole people of the state
were then, as now, proud of him.
Copied from
James Atkins Shackford's biography "David Crockett (The Man and The
Legend)" by Jim W. Drew-Whitaker; 3/6/04; 2ggson of Charity Trosper
Whiteaker.
Mary
Crockett (1st wife of Davy Crockett) died in Franklin County in the
summer of 1815. And was buried there, in a grave today without any
other marker than the coarse field stones which have been placed
beside it. She left David, a rough, peripatetic backwoodsman, with
three children, one an infant for whom he was hard put to provide
properly. In the neighborhood there lived a young widow,
Elizabeth Patton, who had lost her husband in the Creek War. She had
two children, George and Margaret Ann, and also a tidy little farm. As
Crockett reviewed the situation, he thought she would make both a fine
mother for his children and a fine partner for his future. Having made
his decision, he seems to have lost little time in paying his suit.
Elizabeth Patton was born in Swannanoa, Buncombe County, North
Carolina, May 12, 1788. Her father, Robert Patton, had settled in the
territory later to become Buncombe. The first church structure in
western North Carolina and the first graveyard there used by whites
had both borne his name.
The Patton's
were a prominent family, and Elizabeth's father, for those times, was
quite well-to-do. Elizabeth had removed to Tennessee with her first
husband James Patton. She was a large woman, a sensible woman, and she
evidently had greater managerial ability and more regular habits than
David. Apparently his marriage to her and into this family marked a
distinct upward turn in his career.
At any rate, within a year of the marriage his political fortunes
"took a
decided rise in the world."
How long David courted Elizabeth is conjectural. The marriage did take
place in the spring or summer of 1816 in Franklin County. Copied from
James Atkins Shackford's biography "David Crockett (The Man and The
Legend)" by
Jim W. Drew-Whitaker; 3/7/04; 2ggson of Charity Trosper Whiteaker.
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Notes: 1850 Buncombe County, NC census lists: Hyatt, Shadrach E., 47 Buncombe County
Hyatt, (Rhodes) Lucinda, 44
Hyatt, William R., 17
Hyatt, Shadrack, 9 Hyatt, Nicholas Trosper, 5 Hyatt, John B., 2
Hyatt, Robert, M., 2
Hyatt, Alley M., 2
Jyatt, Tena E., 14
Jyatt, Lucinda, 11 Note: Buncombe County was once a
part of Burke County, where both the Hyatt and Trosper's once lived.
Nicholas Trosper Sr. served in the Revolutionary War with a Hyatt and
there appears to be a long standing relationship between the two
families. The significance of Shadrach and Lucinda naming a son
Nicholas Trosper has not yet been established. His death
certificate indicates his mother was Lucinda Rhodes. This does
not preclude the possibility that Shadrack was a second husband and
her first was a Rhodes, and her maiden name was Trosper. Or,
that Shadrack's mother was a Trosper. The fact that a Nicklas
Trasper was also living in Buncombe County contemporary with Lucinda
and Shadrack indicates a relationship. I am looking for parents/Siblings of
Mary Burchfield b. ca 1745 who married Hezekiah Hyatt. The lived in
the Rowan Co. and/or Reems Creek area of Buncombe Co., NC. I have been
told that her father may be Robert Burchfield. Do you have any
information on her? Them?
Also Hezekiah and Mary Burchfield had a son Shadrick Hyatt b. ca 1770
d. ca 1840 who married Mary Milton Trosper b. ca 1780 and d. ca 1846.
These are my direct family line and I have not been able to find any
information on these two women. Can you help me? I look forward to
hearing from you and will gladly share anything that I have on the
Hyatt line. Patricia Hyatt Henson @
Trishh6056@aol.com Hi Catherine:
Am truly impressed with your site!! Fantastic!! You have done
tremendous work with this and I - for one- appreciate it. I
happened to notice a note about Hezekiah and Mary Burchfield Hyatt in
the Burchfield section. It was Shadrack Hyatt that married the Trosper
woman and settled in Reems Creek area of Buncombe Co. Shadrack was a
son of Hezekiah and Mary. Also another son, Meshack--this is my
line--settled around the French Broad area in Buncombe Co. He died in
Mo. in 1833.
So I don't forget what was told to me,
and for posterity, I have transcribed a letter Wanda Clark wrote to me
concerning the matter when she found out who Arbuthnot's parents were: Dear Catherine: I believe we've solved Arbuthnot's
father. I decided to check all the sons & see what I could come
up with. I noted James Trosper, son of Nicholas & Sally married
Nellie Mahan in 1808 when he was 33, he also made a visit to Indiana
to visit a William Trosper there - so I figured he was visiting his
son. I wrote Joe that I felt James had been
married before & the children in Nicholas' house were his (James) & he
and Sallye were taking care of them since James had a new wife. Lo and behold a Trosper contacted Joe
and said James had 5 children by a previous marriage - Arbuthnot
(Millie), Hannah Barilla, John, William and Peter. When Joe gets
this guy's data, he will send it to me and if he doesn't send it to
you, I will. Also, the Indiana Nicholas is probably
our Nicholas, & then he returned to Knox County, & married a widow
Bateman who had several children of her own, leaving William, John &
Millie in Indiana. Peter always stayed in Knox county, & Hannah
& Barilla died there. Nicholas is probably buried in the
privately owned, grass covered property where there is an old Trosper
cemetery on Elijah Trosper's old land. Keep in touch. Wanda
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Fifth Generation
 Arbuthnot (Milley
or Mildred) TROSPER was probably born in Burke Co., North Carolina, we don't have
a date, but think based on her father's age, the year she married and the
birth dates of her children, she could have been born anywhere from the
early 1790's to the end of that decade, but "guess" around 1795 to 1800. Arbuthnot (Milley)
died in ?
On 8 Jan 1820 Arbuthnot (Milley) married Simon ERWIN, son of
John ERWIN, SR., in Clark County, Indiana. Simon was born abt 1795 in Burke Co., North
Carolina, Simon died in Clark/Floyd Co., Indiana.
On a trip I took to Indiana in May 2003, I
found a marriage record for a "Milley" Erwin and I'm sure it's ours.
Milley Erwin to Thomas H. Mosely, 15 Jun 1843; Marriage Book B, pg 398,
Lawrence County Marriages. Milley's first husband Simon Erwin died
sometime after 1830 and before 1840 as Milley is found living alone with her
girls in the 1840 Lawrence County, IN Census. Their last daughter is
born between 1830-1835. Milley is gone by 1850, or
at least we can't find her, but now in light of this new marriage record we
found in 1843, perhaps she is with her new husband somewhere, more
investigation needs to be done.
Her daughters however are living in
another Erwin household and it makes me suspect that our Milley had died as
we can't find a Thomas Mosely in the 1850 Lawrence County Census either.
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TROSPER Arbuthnot
married Simon Erwin (Irwin) in Clark County, Indiana in 1820. Simon came to Indiana with
his father and brothers from Burke County, North Carolina, the same area as
the Trosper's. Simon had
married a Mary Hagerman previously and had a daughter. After the death of
Mary, he married OUR Arbuthnot. According to the information
Flora Montague Froment gave Elizabeth Havel,
Arbuthnot and Simon had six daughters, Nancy, Lucinda,
Matilda, Henrietta, Jane and Louisa.
Louisa was my
great-great-grandmother (Barb Smith ~ author's note, my mom)
* Elizabeth Havel was an
elderly lady that was also descended from this line that my mother was in
contact with during the 70s and 80s. She and my mother have since
died. C. Monticue
Arbuthnot was listed as head of household in the 1840 census in Lawrence
County, Indiana. Sometime between 1820 the date of her marriage to Simon,
and 1840, Arbuthnot had moved to Lawrence County, Indiana.
Perhaps Simon had died and she moved to Lawrence County to be near
Erwin relatives as they were in that county as early as 1826.
Arbuthnot was listed as head of a household in the 1840 census, but she did
not appear in the 1850 census, and some of her daughters were listed in the
household of a female Erwin, so apparently Arbuthnot had died.
In a later history of Sullivan County, Arbuthnot is mentioned as Mildred
Erwin Isom, so somewhere along the line after the death of Simon,
she 'might' have married an Isom? The Erwin and Isom names are common around Lawrence
County, Indiana. (author's note, I can not find the history listing Milley
as an Isom in any of the files my mother left, but it could be in there
somewhere...)
Milly Erwin (Isom) disappeared from Lawrence County after the 1840 census,
as did two of her daughters, Henrietta and Jane. it is possible that she
moved elsewhere with the 2 daughters where she married an Isom.
From here see the
Erwin/Irwin line.
* Note: Some of the information on the Justice line was obtained from
Justice & Umstead Families of Frederick County, Maryland, 1685-1947
Complied and presented to the Genealogical Society by Mrs. Palmer H.
Cushman, 1947; Salt Lake Micro film Number ! 929.273 J 984 C
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Arbuthnot "Milley" Trosper
and
Simon Erwin had the following children:
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i |
Lucinda
Erwin, born abt 1820 in Indiana.
Lucinda died in Lawrence Co., IN. On 2 Mar 1851, she was 31.
Lucinda married Richard SUTTON. She died 2 Mar 1851, more
than likely from the Cholera epidemic that was rampant in Salem and
all of southern Indiana. |
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ii |
Louisa Erwin was born on January
11, 1821 in Floyd County, Indiana and died February 18, 1888 in
Sullivan County, Indiana. She married John W. Lloyd.
Our Line. |
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iii |
Nancy
Erwin, born abt 1822 in Indiana. Nancy
died in Lawrence Co., IN on 5 Oct 1851, she was 29. Nancy
married Henry QUACKENBUSH and had several children. |
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iv |
Matilda
Erwin, born abt 1824 in Indiana.
Matilda died in Lawrence Co., IN on 14 Aug 1854, she was 30.
Matilda married James F. NUGENT. |
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v |
Henrietta
Erwin, born circa 1825-1835; nothing is known
about Henrietta or Jane. They were not in the 1850 census with their
mother. They either married or died. There might have been a
cholera epedemic which was always possible. |
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vi |
Jane Erwin, born circa 1825-1835? |
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